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[Griz]

Sorry, aint buying into the paleo diet fad.
If you were paleo you would be eating potaoes.
And milk.
Paleo is hunter gather. Any other definition is fad-fag.

[Lampshadeburg]

I forgot the details, but from having read multiple books about White explorers in the arctic, you die if you eat nothing but meat.

That's due to an incomplete diet (usually fat, sometimes vitamin C) rather than an excess of protein.

[Corsca]

Do you know what the word "paleo" means, or is referring to? It is referring to the paleolithic era, the time when man first began using stone tools about 2.5 million years ago, and up to about 10,000 years ago.

The paleo diet means that you consume the same, or at least similar food to what was consumed during ~ 99% of our evolutionary history.

Edible potatoes were created by Ameri-Indians, and White people have been consuming them for less than 500 years.

Animal milk has only been consumed for about 7,500 years.

What is historically/ evolutionarily natural for us to consume is the exact opposite of a fad.

[Corsca]

Ingesting too much of anything will kill you, be it water, sugar, or protein, it makes no difference what substance you are speaking of.

[Corsca]

I honestly don't think much about it and don't count calories. I have been doing the diet about 10 to 11 weeks. I am healthier, have lost some body fat, gained some muscle, and weigh about the same. I snack on homemade jerky and a mix of nuts and dehydrated fruit while at work.

[Lampshadeburg]

Yeah. Of course. But protein poisoning has shit to do with an excess of protein.

[Corsca]

Lol, OK.

[Lampshadeburg]

LMGTFY

[BastardChild]

Dr Duke was talking about the Paleo Diet the last few days on his show.
I enjoy eating a lot of meat, I think what you eat should taste good to you, don't restrict yourself if you don't have to from eating anything, for me the paleo diet fits into my natural taste, give me meat and I am happy.

The only thing strict in my diet is avoiding milk and dairy, it kills me. Thanks to antibiotics regiments given to infants, I was on one for ear infections, we have many lactose intolerant people under the age of 40 today. Probiotics are like oxygen to me.

i think Kombucha is great, it is like the original beer.

[Corsca]

That is a pretty cool way to provide some info, not exactly on target, but pretty cool none the less.

It is pretty much all referring to "rabbit starvation."

From the first link:

Protein poisoning (also referred to colloquially as rabbit starvation, mal de caribou, or fat starvation) is a rare form of acute malnutrition thought to be caused by a complete absence of fat in the diet.

Excess protein is sometimes cited as the cause of this issue; when meat and fat are consumed in the correct ratio, such as that found in pemmican (which is 50% fat by volume), the diet is considered nutritionally complete and can support humans for months or more (not indefinitely, especially in Arctic conditions). Other stressors, such as severe cold or a dry environment, may intensify symptoms or decrease time to onset. Symptoms include diarrhea, headache, fatigue, low blood pressure, slow heart rate, and a vague discomfort and hunger (very similar to a food craving) that can be satisfied only by the consumption of fat.

Protein poisoning was first noted as a consequence of eating rabbit meat exclusively, hence the term, "rabbit starvation". Rabbit meat is very lean; commercial rabbit meat has 50–100 g dissectable fat per 2 kg (live weight). Based on a carcass yield of 60%, rabbit meat is around 8.3% fat.[1] while beef and pork are 32% fat and lamb 28%. [2]

The animals in the arctic are heavy on fat, the author of one of the books went into the subject of consuming too much protein. I am really not sufficiently interested in the subject to pursue it further. Plain and simple it can kill you, but it really isn't very relevant since we aren't explorers stranded in the Arctic. (Another thing that such people have died from was the consumption of too much vitamin A, primarily from the livers of wolves and polar bears, just in case you have an expedition planned for yourself).

[Lampshadeburg]

also referred to colloquially as rabbit starvation, mal de caribou

Caribou are from the arctic.

Anyway, congrats on changing your argument.

[Griz]

Go tell an Irishman how the Indians invented the potato.
Humans been drinking animal milk since the beginning of time as I am sure it was considered a treat. And a necessity. Natural milk has cultures in it for proper digestion of meat. As a paleo you would be eating any and everything you could get your hands on.

[Corsca]

Your comment is rather heavy on feelings, a bit light on facts.

[Griz]

You've been doing a diet for ten weeks and that makes you an expert.
You are talking out your ass all along.
My Doc says my vitals are that of a healthy 25yr old, this is after eating meat and potatoes for over a half century. You eat potatos, AKA roots, or you die paleo man.
You should try some roots in the yucca family, just like potatos, the deserts carb source.

[Griz]

Where are your facts.
Paleo man most certainly drained the utter of animals, and ate high carb potatoes.

[Corsca]

My goodness, I am not even that much into the diet, it is something that is more than worthwhile for people to look into.

Go tell an Irishman how the Indians invented the potato.

From Wikipedia etc - yeah, under potato:

The potato is a starchy, tuberous crop from the perennial nightshade Solanum tuberosum. The word "potato" may refer either to the plant itself or to the edible tuber.[2] In the Andes, where the species is indigenous, some other closely related species are cultivated. Potatoes were introduced to Europe in the second half of the 16th century by the Spanish.

Humans been drinking animal milk since the beginning of time as I am sure it was considered a treat.

I am sure it was considered a "treat," because animal milk would not have been a stable part of the human diet until animals were domesticated, which was after the paleo era.

Natural milk has cultures in it for proper digestion of meat.

Cultures refer to bacteria, though they do produce vitamin K for us, they do not significantly do anything to help us digest food. Those molecules/ proteins are called enzymes.

As a paleo you would be eating any and everything you could get your hands on.

Not if it did not exist in their environment. I'm sure they ate a lot of insects, and the plants that they were eating were only predecessors of what we currently eat, but when someone says they are eating "paleo" they are referring to what they get at the grocery store.

You've been doing a diet for ten weeks and that makes you an expert.

I have a library card.

You are talking out your ass all along.

Projection?

Where are your facts.

If you are into information, I am happy to help out to the extent I am able, if you are trying to feel good about yourself by "winning" an internet argument, you aren't doing so well.

[Griz]

Paleo man is hunter gatherer. When Paleo man hunts a deer like animal, he uses all the parts. That's what makes paleo man so fucking cool, he uses all the parts unlike those asshole trophy hunters of the modern erea.
So yeh, Paleo Man is cool and all but he did take the milk that was meant for those baby fawns.
Whatever he's cool anyway.

[Halligan]

Fair enough. As I said, I've been on it for about 6 weeks and have lost a good amount of body fat. I'm going to go back to trying to gain muscle eventually and I just don't see how I will be able to stick to the diet and get the required calories. Keep in mind, I do track calories and I know how many I need to get each day to gain or lose weight.

[TheBigKefe]

Look into blood type diets. That's where I found paleo. If youre O type ur gonna have a bad time with grains and dairy.

O TYPE - Original peoples. Raw red meat. Nuts and veges. Stay away from grain, dairy, citrus.

A TYPE - Agricultural peoples. Grain, dairy. Stay away from citrus and un cooked meats.

B TYPE - Typically island peoples (but not exclusively) Citrus fruits are your friend and you extract more minerals from root vegetables than other types. Stay away from dairy and grains.

AB TYPE - Potentially most Asian peoples ( again not exclusively) these people can process and absorb all food types.

This isn't completely cut and dry. You do get bleed over from one type to another and not all of a population will be the same blood type. So there are Asians who aren't AB.

[myself]

I'm A and i disagree. Grains fuck me up weight-wise.

Keto diet helped. It's kinda like paleo. And intermittent fasting.