Programming

[CatharticApotheosis]

Java and C# are great starting languages- powerful, but not such a headless chicken like C++ can be. C++ allows you a lot of power, but it's dangerous because it'll let you do all sorts of things you should normally never do without telling you it's even an error.

[RobotHitler]

What do you think of python?

[RobotHitler]

Am I retarded if I didn't comprehend anything you said?

[Wheatley]

No, it was for programmers

[putinpepe]

Python is good to start learning with. It's also used a fair amount of web applications (youtube, reddit, instagram, if I remember correctly) and it's also used in data science. Python is also used for building quick scripts to say test network security, or extend or customize some software.

As far as programming as a hobby (if that exists), I'd say python is one of the best options.

As far as getting a job in programming, you are likely going to need to learn new languages (or at the very least interfaces, codebases, etc) when you start a new project or a new job. After you learn a first language you know where your interests are and learning the next is easier.

I'd say you can't go wrong though with any of these: C, C++, python, javascript, java, C#.

[my_struggle]

It's been almost 3 weeks and you're still asking the same question. In the meantime, you could've begun developing your own opinion of Python (or any other language). Sorry to say, but you're probably never going to bother learning.

[RobotHitler]

I asked about a specific language which wasn't what my op was. Also how do you know I didn't start programming? That's called an assumption.

[muh1488]

all modern languages breed bad programing techniques/habits

i can whip up a macro in VBA and the code will look like complete shit and it will run ( i always format it just cause thats how i do it ..but still)

C#/Python are slightly more ridgid but it aint C++ lol

[Vitamin-KKK]

We've had a phenomenon over the past 20 years where the performance of hardware has scaled up so rapidly, while the price has gone down, that lazy programming has been justified on the basis that the hardware more than makes up for it.

I'm too much of a purist though, and I try to stick to rigorous technique just like the old days when you had 640k (or less) to work with. But sometimes I get last minute mod requests and I have put out some lazy code before. I always go back to clean it up because I get this weird sense of hypothetical embarrassment at the thought of someone else maintaining my stuff years from now.

[muh1488]

i believe DARPA has invested or is investing in technologies to make developing more easy and language based to speed up dev time

having the knowledge you have is good and will pay off for the foreseable future...i do alot of analytics stuff and i try my best to write good clean code, some of the shit ive come across in my forays into corporate america are outright atrocious

[CatharticApotheosis]

I haven't used it as much as Java and C#, but from the experience I do have with it is positive. Actually, it may very well end up being a better introductory language to learn because it is even more straightforward than either Java or C#.

[ex_machina]

Pardon if I missed this in the comments above, but based on my experience (with myself, family, and friends), my guess is developing simple little games is a good way to get up to speed on your language of choice, since you've got a distinct project to work on that is fun--not something boring like a financial application or something.

To add a little extra inspiration, I'd think making some nice little platformers/side-scrollers/whatever (think, maybe, Cave Story) that are alt-right/Nazi themed would be both fun to make and distribute.

Might be worthwhile to have an open source project with a wide-range of skill levels so the more experienced could provide apprenticeships to the novices.

[RobotHitler]

very good advice. i just started working with phaser and love it so far.

[my_struggle]

The "Python Question" was answered before you even asked it (explicitly). Have you even read your own thread? And, I didn't make an assumption; I made a deduction. There's a difference.

[AndyGreatstory]

I mean what kind of buttlicker comes up with a language where you have to pay attention to your own strings so that they don't overrun memory.

LOL yep. Is it really that hard to give a fucking error and terminate the program if data is assigned to an out of bounds subscript in an array? VB is my go to language for most things but I'm trying to expand.

[black88]

It doesn't really matter what language you learn first. Pick the one you are most interested in so you stay motivated to continue learning. Once you know how to solve problems like it's a second nature to you -- you can pick up other languages in a matter of days as you need them. The best way to learn is to learn by doing. Knowing syntax is the easy part, the hard part is knowing how to solve problems. It won't be obvious when you first start learning but you will find yourself hitting a wall that actually knowing programming isn't easy.